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Okay, I’m going to let you finish, but let’s get things worked out a bit
SYMBOL:
I see you made The Liberal Dream the “Escalator of Results”, which I assume means that they don’t have to work to get up economically at all unlike the “Ladder of Opportunity” in which people have to work to advance. Good job painting the opponent with a bad symbol (this isn’t sarcastic this is actually well done) and we’ll come back to this later. 
AIM: 
Now this is just a failure of understanding on your part. The Liberal Dream only states that all have the opportunity to rise as well. In fact, it is exactly the same as you listed The American Dream to be. The only difference is that liberals don’t believe that The American Dream is being met. For instance, in 2012 the US Census Bureau found that 14% of the American population lives in poverty (Source 1). Poverty itself is a weird term that most people just qualify as poor and don’t think much about. But the REAL definition of poverty, as in the one that the UN put out and that the US abides by follows as:

"Fundamentally, poverty is a denial of choices and opportunities, a violation of human dignity. It means lack of basic capacity to participate effectively in society. It means not having enough to feed and cloth a family, not having a school or clinic to go to, not having the land on which to grow one’s food or a job to earn one’s living, not having access to credit. It means insecurity, powerlessness and exclusion of individuals, households and communities. It means susceptibility to violence, and it often implies living or marginal or fragile environments, without access to clean water or sanitation" (Source 2) 

When 14% of the American Population is subjected to that, things are far from equal. The aim of the Liberal Dream is the same aim as The American Dream; liberals just don’t think the country is there yet
PRIMARY FOCUS:
For nearly all political ideologies, ranging from communism to fascism to the capitalism we live in today, individual effort is the primary focus. Communism states that every person does their share in proportion to their abilities, meaning that the elderly don’t have to be working 12 hours a day. Fascism states that individuals should trust that the harshest governments are doing the right thing while it encourages the populace and individuals to work to increase the government’s affluence. Individuals are what make up every society. But when 14% of them can’t work, liberals believe it is the government’s duty to intervene. The Ladder of Opportunity is nice and ideal, but when the people on top have cut off the arms and legs of the people on the bottom, then some aid would be ideal as well. The Escalator of Results isn’t an accurate symbol for liberals because they aren’t interested in destroying hard work. A better symbol would be The Handicap-Accessible Ladder, one that everyone can climb. 
ROLE OF GOVERNMENT:
Liberals just want government to give the poorest 14% a way out of poverty. Not to force them out of poverty, to give them a chance to rise out of it. Once the government has given them that small boost, most liberals are fine with the government falling back. 
SOURCE OF OPPORTUNITIES:
Maybe this is just me, but I have not heard a single prominent liberal in the US call for the destruction of the free market. As stated earlier government spends to give the poorest a push, and after that the free market comes back into play. 
TYPE OF OPPORTUNITY:
I may be mistaken, but aren’t equal opportunity and sameness of opportunity the same thing? And the artificial barriers are the ones keeping the poor poor. The “social engineering” is to remove those barriers.
PRIMARY THREAT:
There’s always a level of government dependence in every society where there is a government. If there wasn’t government dependence, there would be no reason to have a government. And income inequality isn’t a threat to The Liberal Dream but rather it’s greatest adversary. Income inequality isn’t what destroys The Liberal Dream: it’s what spurs it forward. Liberals only want a country safe for the pursuit of happiness, and right now America isn’t there.  
In short, while you do have good points, I think you misunderstand liberal goals, the current state of America as well as the rest of the world, or perhaps both.
Source 1  / Source 2

Okay, I’m going to let you finish, but let’s get things worked out a bit

SYMBOL:

I see you made The Liberal Dream the “Escalator of Results”, which I assume means that they don’t have to work to get up economically at all unlike the “Ladder of Opportunity” in which people have to work to advance. Good job painting the opponent with a bad symbol (this isn’t sarcastic this is actually well done) and we’ll come back to this later. 

AIM: 

Now this is just a failure of understanding on your part. The Liberal Dream only states that all have the opportunity to rise as well. In fact, it is exactly the same as you listed The American Dream to be. The only difference is that liberals don’t believe that The American Dream is being met. For instance, in 2012 the US Census Bureau found that 14% of the American population lives in poverty (Source 1). Poverty itself is a weird term that most people just qualify as poor and don’t think much about. But the REAL definition of poverty, as in the one that the UN put out and that the US abides by follows as:

"Fundamentally, poverty is a denial of choices and opportunities, a violation of human dignity. It means lack of basic capacity to participate effectively in society. It means not having enough to feed and cloth a family, not having a school or clinic to go to, not having the land on which to grow one’s food or a job to earn one’s living, not having access to credit. It means insecurity, powerlessness and exclusion of individuals, households and communities. It means susceptibility to violence, and it often implies living or marginal or fragile environments, without access to clean water or sanitation" (Source 2) 

When 14% of the American Population is subjected to that, things are far from equal. The aim of the Liberal Dream is the same aim as The American Dream; liberals just don’t think the country is there yet

PRIMARY FOCUS:

For nearly all political ideologies, ranging from communism to fascism to the capitalism we live in today, individual effort is the primary focus. Communism states that every person does their share in proportion to their abilities, meaning that the elderly don’t have to be working 12 hours a day. Fascism states that individuals should trust that the harshest governments are doing the right thing while it encourages the populace and individuals to work to increase the government’s affluence. Individuals are what make up every society. But when 14% of them can’t work, liberals believe it is the government’s duty to intervene. The Ladder of Opportunity is nice and ideal, but when the people on top have cut off the arms and legs of the people on the bottom, then some aid would be ideal as well. The Escalator of Results isn’t an accurate symbol for liberals because they aren’t interested in destroying hard work. A better symbol would be The Handicap-Accessible Ladder, one that everyone can climb. 

ROLE OF GOVERNMENT:

Liberals just want government to give the poorest 14% a way out of poverty. Not to force them out of poverty, to give them a chance to rise out of it. Once the government has given them that small boost, most liberals are fine with the government falling back. 

SOURCE OF OPPORTUNITIES:

Maybe this is just me, but I have not heard a single prominent liberal in the US call for the destruction of the free market. As stated earlier government spends to give the poorest a push, and after that the free market comes back into play. 

TYPE OF OPPORTUNITY:

I may be mistaken, but aren’t equal opportunity and sameness of opportunity the same thing? And the artificial barriers are the ones keeping the poor poor. The “social engineering” is to remove those barriers.

PRIMARY THREAT:

There’s always a level of government dependence in every society where there is a government. If there wasn’t government dependence, there would be no reason to have a government. And income inequality isn’t a threat to The Liberal Dream but rather it’s greatest adversary. Income inequality isn’t what destroys The Liberal Dream: it’s what spurs it forward. Liberals only want a country safe for the pursuit of happiness, and right now America isn’t there.  

In short, while you do have good points, I think you misunderstand liberal goals, the current state of America as well as the rest of the world, or perhaps both.

Source 1  / Source 2